Monday, April 4, 2011

2012 Campaign Starts Today!

19 comments:

  1. I thought it was a good opening shot. I think the older man was a great idea. "Obama is not perfect", but I trust and respect him.

    That is for the moderate republicans and independents.

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  2. I agree dorthy -- I thought that was a good campaign advertisement. One of the women said "our communities all have the same cocnerns ...". That's mostly true when it comes to our families and children; left and right. I wish more people would focus on what the left and right agree on rather than the fringes of both parties. We need to get so much done!

    On a side note, our President never stopped capaigning :-)

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  3. I respect Obama. Trust is too strong a word because it invokes ethics and I think Obama is ethical, a good father and husband. Do I believe him when he talks about politics? His actions speak louder than his campaign rhetoric. On GITMO, on the wars, on Wall Street, on energy, on health care, on and on ... he campaigned one way and acted another. Now I have to wait and see hisa actions from issue to issue. I suppose he is not as naive as he once was and realizes it's a lot tougher to be President than run for it and criticize the man in office. I can accept that. I hear the far left is as upset with him as the far right. Same old same old for those of us in the middle.

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  4. Now that Obama is officially running for reelection in 2012, join in on the Obama Victory Fund 2012 Kick-Off with the President. If you're in Chicago on 4/14/11 join the party at Navy Pier! More details here - http://bit.ly/gNCgkW

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  5. Anonymous, specifically, why do you hope to see Obama re-elected? What do you expect from him? Do the issues he flipped on that I listed above (add to them tax breaks to the wealthy) tempt you to look elsewhere -- maybe Clinton or Kucinich if they decide to run? Would you vote your conscience -- or would you vote to favor your party? Joe, feel free to join in.

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  6. Kevin, Obama did not flip on a single one of the issues you mention. Congress blocked him from closing Guantanamo; Congress watered down financial reform and health care and refused to pass energy legislation; Republicans in the Senate also prevented a vote on allowing tax breaks for the wealthy to expire. There were more filibusters in this last Congress than any in our entire history, and still Obama got large parts of his agenda passed. And on Iraq and Afghanistan, he did pretty much exactly what he promised to do.

    And as far as a primary challenge to Obama, don't expect much. All that talk is just irresponsible, an attempt to create interest in a campaign process that is unfortunately about a year too long. But the Obama campaign was forced to start early just so that he could start raising so much cash that he will scare away away any potential challengers. Wait until July when the campaign announces its fund-raising amounts for the quarter. It should be an impressive figure. If not, then the talk of a primary challenge might start up again.

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  7. Great comments on the upcoming primary challenge.

    As far as Obama flipping -- he did -- and does -- because of what is evolving around him; because he is President and must; and because he knows more now than he did as a neophyte. As well, he is intent (rightly so) on being be re-elected. He may not have flipped his personal convictions but he has flipped politically. Which, I agree, could be defended.

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  8. I guess we have different definitions of flipping. When you bow to reality because you don't have the votes in Congress for your position, I call that settling for the best you can get. Others might call it flipping or selling out.

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  9. The definition of flipping can be applied selectively. "Read My Lips. No New Taxes".

    Bush senior raised taxes in 1990 after saying he would not in 1988. He refused to do so many times but the Senate and House, controlled by Democrats, forced his hand. Cost him big time.

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  10. I think Lincoln said it best: "I must confess that I did not control events, events have controlled me," or something to that effect.

    Obama is no different than any other president. They all go in with policy goals and a vision of what they want America to be when they're done, but they quickly find out that they have little choice in the matter. I told everyone I knew that he was going to change his mind about Iraq and Afghanistan. No one believed me.

    In the Dark Knight, the Joker quips about cops that they're "only as good as the world allows them to be." The same can be said for presidents. They can't always stick to what they promised because they figure out that their promises might be unfeasable. In a perfect world, they would be able to stick to their guns, but in a world full of wolves, the lambs get devoured (Machiavelli).

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  11. Amen. Being "only as good as the world allows them to be" is made more difficult when a President wants to be re-elected. Early on Obama said he would rather be a one term Prez with lots done than a two term Prez with less done. It appears he won't be either. Instead, somewhere in between and one who flipped like Bush senior; for whatever convenient or inconvenient or itelligence driven issues. We couldn't know unless we were the President with his intel or motives. Internationally and at home, Obama is making GW look brilliant -- or he looks as dumb as Progressives screamed about Bush. IQ doesn't hold all the water. Street smarts count.

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  12. What the heck are you guys talking about? I understand and agree that Presidents are not all-powerful and they are to some extent controlled by events, but I just don't get how Obama changed his mind or flipped about anything significant. Do you not see how you are contradicting yourselves?

    And making GW look brilliant? Don't make me laugh.

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  13. There was sarcasm -- even a taunt. My apologies.

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  14. Afghanistan. He said he wanted to get out of Afghanistan (I can't remember the time-table he set, if any) and then he did a 30,000 troop surge.

    Also, I specifically remember the Obama campaign commercials and debates in which he called McCain's idea to tax health benefits and provide tax credits for health insurance as crazy. "McCain wants to tax your healthcare benefits for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY." And then when they rolled out the healthcare bill, Obama was 100% supportive of that idea. If that's not flipping then I honestly don't know what is these days.

    Change in general. I mean what has really changed? When the Democrats had control of both the House and the Senate, Obama never seemed to truly consider compromising with the Republicans. He always said "I'll look at your proposal," but what came of it? Only now that the Democrats have lost the House is he trying to be more concilliatory.

    And although he wasn't lambasting Bush as harshly on the campaign about starting wars in countries that don't affect us at all, he was a major opponent of both wars, and now he's okay with bombing a country that has little to nothing to do with us.

    I'm not trying to harp on the guy for flipping on some issues. I'm of the opinion that people are allowed to change their minds, and someone who is willing to change his or her mind is wiser for it.

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  15. It's funny that people on both the left and right misremember what candidate Obama said about Afghanistan. In fact he said hundreds of time that he was for drawing down in Iraq and building up in Afghanistan. Here is a link to one speech where he supported adding at least two additional combat brigades in Afghanistan and called it a war we must win. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/us/politics/15text-obama.html?pagewanted=1

    Health care is a bit more complicated an issue. It's true that the final bill is different from what was proposed during the campaign, but Obama's strategy was to leave much of the drafting of the bill to Congress, so that he would not have the same problem Clinton did of having a bill drafted by a Presidential committee shot down by Congress. And it is unfair to criticize the President for refusing to compromise with Republicans. If you ask supporters of Obama on the left, they will say their main beef with him is that he has compromised way too much. Look at all the changes that were made not only on health care, but also on the stimulus bill and the energy bill and other bills, to try to gain the support of Republicans. Senator Grassley, for example was expected to support the bill in committee, and Senator Snowe did vote for the health care bill in committee but then changed her mind after the Republican Senate leadership decided it was a better political strategy for them to form a unified opposition, so that they could accuse the Democrats of forcing a partisan bill down their throats. That might have been a good political strategy at least for the short term, but they know it is not true.

    As for Libya, you seriously think that country has little or nothing to do with us? The Lockerbie victims would not agree.

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  16. Yeah but the Lockerbie Bombing was how long ago? My point with Libya is that it has not been a threat to us or anyone for quite some time. Didn't Gadhafi surrender his WMD shortly after we stomped Iraq?

    And I know what you mean about lefty Obama supporters. I post on a hard core liberal forum, and they're all ready to crucify him. They're wingnuts though, and they're ready to crucify any Democrat that even slightly deviates from what they perceive to be the Democrat ideology.

    I'm admittedly the wrong person to call people out on flip-flopping as I usually forget campaign crap almost as soon as it's over. Even though I was disappointed that my candidate lost, I've truly given Obama a fair shot, and I'm still giving him a fair shake.

    But lets not pretend that he's always stuck to his guns. He might not have committed any flip-flop attrocity as blatant as Bush Sr., but all politicians have to remain flexible.

    Again, even if he did do a complete 180 flip, it wouldn't bother me that much because I know that they've gotta do what they've gotta do.

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  17. As a trivia piece:

    Who is the only president that has ever kept all of his campaign promises?

    And that's not a trick question. He only made 4.

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  18. Polk! (I had to look it up though)

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